I kind of look at it but not nearly as much as I look at speed, acceleration, and other things.
But I think that’s a mistake. I’ve been playing Porter at cornerback because he is 6’ 4” and has great speed and coverage skills when you add in chemistry and things. But his awareness is only 80 and he sometimes just gets roasted deep. Just starts running off in another direction like an idiot.
I assume that’s an awareness issue?
Or maybe play recognition?
yes imo you want both play rec and awr 95+
gobluehailmich1 said:yes imo you want both play rec and awr 95+
95+ awareness? Are there many corners that have it that high? I was looking around last night and most were 90 or lower.
Awareness is just a stat they use to boost OVRs, your CB is playing like an idiot cause they code it that way, it happens to every DB
elitedabest said:Awareness is just a stat they use to boost OVRs, your CB is playing like an idiot cause they code it that way, it happens to every DB
You don’t think awareness or play recognition have anything to do with how a player performs?
Bdelo74 said:You don’t think awareness or play recognition have anything to do with how a player performs?
I think awareness is a fake stat, and I think play rec does impact the game, but not nearly as much as people think it does.
What I will say is this awareness matters to a certain extent at each threshold of awareness. For instance I notice a difference between 85 awareness and 90 awareness. Between 80-84, 85-89 makes no difference in my opinion from the medley of dbs and lbs I have tried out. The differences I notice have mostly to do with positioning in coverage, fumble urgency, and “off assignment“ plays. Awareness shows up in man coverage for me in the form of how they react when the ball gets near the receiver. I notice the low awr cbs will literally watch a wr catch the ball right next to them, conservative catching trait makes it even more abysmal but even with aggressive trait cbs I notice how awareness messes with their ability to go after the ball when it is in their area. Fumbles is pretty straightforward. Awareness and high motor go hand in hand with this regard. Essentially I see my highest awareness cards. Maddox (91 awr), Thomas(93) awr and a mix of plenty of 90 awr cards go after fumbles almost as soon as the ball comes out the ball carriers hand. Even cancelling their sack/tackle animation to go after the ball if they noticed the ball came out the ball carriers hand. Where as you will see some low awareness cards tackle them and hold the animation and then take their time getting up and running after the ball. Like I said High motor plays a part too. But I have high awareness cards without high motor and notice they get after it the same way as those with high motor and high awareness if that makes sense. ”off assignment” plays really pertain to recognition/urgency in the pass game with rpo’s and how outside cbs play their outside thirds and cloud/hard flats. When the ball gets near Outside cbs in zone situations, high awr and notably high prc cards are much better at snuffing out rpos. In regards to passing they will be more likely to rise above their zone depth in a blue zone when the ball is in the air and your opponents receiver is within 10 yards or so. Id say awareness the higher the rating gets, serves like a built in ballhawk overall defensively. Players with high awareness just seem to get less thrown off by routes happening around them. In addition to getting more “urgent” animations when the ball is coming towards them in any given scenario. I don’t think awareness matters anywhere offensively other than o line for d line recognition. And maybe your rb’s as well for the same purpose. User interaction and skill has negated the importance of awareness and play recognition overall in this game. I have played madden for years and Awareness and Play recognition with exceptional playcalling was really how you got stops forever. It’s very different now with switch sticking in particular because the weak areas of defense that use to always be omitted can now be made up for in the middle of the play. Also those cards that have low prc or awr who aren’t quite in that right spot can now be switched onto. So as long as they have great physical traits( height, traits, spd, cod, acc, agi, etc.). You can switch onto them and speed up to the spot to make up ground in those instances. I’m not complaining I actually like switch stick and think it makes defense easier which in turn is better to me. That being said it’s different and if you still haven’t got onto switch sticking please do. There is a major skill gap to be made up for if you cant switch stick to make your defense unbearable.
Awareness is the second most important stat in the game only behind speed. If u look at the way EA does there stats awareness is usually the lowest one that’s important on the card and the only stat that increases gradually no matter what. What a lot of people forgot is that awareness was one of the grandfather stats that came with the very first Madden play recognition and pursuit ect.. are all new for the same people yelling drip and other new things to want cards but trust me when I say awareness is key. Just the definition of the word alone should tell u how important this stat is. What good is any stat if the player is unaware of what’s happening during the play
Iplay21 said:What I will say is this awareness matters to a certain extent at each threshold of awareness. For instance I notice a difference between 85 awareness and 90 awareness. Between 80-84, 85-89 makes no difference in my opinion from the medley of dbs and lbs I have tried out. The differences I notice have mostly to do with positioning in coverage, fumble urgency, and “off assignment“ plays. Awareness shows up in man coverage for me in the form of how they react when the ball gets near the receiver. I notice the low awr cbs will literally watch a wr catch the ball right next to them, conservative catching trait makes it even more abysmal but even with aggressive trait cbs I notice how awareness messes with their ability to go after the ball when it is in their area. Fumbles is pretty straightforward. Awareness and high motor go hand in hand with this regard. Essentially I see my highest awareness cards. Maddox (91 awr), Thomas(93) awr and a mix of plenty of 90 awr cards go after fumbles almost as soon as the ball comes out the ball carriers hand. Even cancelling their sack/tackle animation to go after the ball if they noticed the ball came out the ball carriers hand. Where as you will see some low awareness cards tackle them and hold the animation and then take their time getting up and running after the ball. Like I said High motor plays a part too. But I have high awareness cards without high motor and notice they get after it the same way as those with high motor and high awareness if that makes sense. ”off assignment” plays really pertain to recognition/urgency in the pass game with rpo’s and how outside cbs play their outside thirds and cloud/hard flats. When the ball gets near Outside cbs in zone situations, high awr and notably high prc cards are much better at snuffing out rpos. In regards to passing they will be more likely to rise above their zone depth in a blue zone when the ball is in the air and your opponents receiver is within 10 yards or so. Id say awareness the higher the rating gets, serves like a built in ballhawk overall defensively. Players with high awareness just seem to get less thrown off by routes happening around them. In addition to getting more “urgent” animations when the ball is coming towards them in any given scenario. I don’t think awareness matters anywhere offensively other than o line for d line recognition. And maybe your rb’s as well for the same purpose. User interaction and skill has negated the importance of awareness and play recognition overall in this game. I have played madden for years and Awareness and Play recognition with exceptional playcalling was really how you got stops forever. It’s very different now with switch sticking in particular because the weak areas of defense that use to always be omitted can now be made up for in the middle of the play. Also those cards that have low prc or awr who aren’t quite in that right spot can now be switched onto. So as long as they have great physical traits( height, traits, spd, cod, acc, agi, etc.). You can switch onto them and speed up to the spot to make up ground in those instances. I’m not complaining I actually like switch stick and think it makes defense easier which in turn is better to me. That being said it’s different and if you still haven’t got onto switch sticking please do. There is a major skill gap to be made up for if you cant switch stick to make your defense unbearable.
This is IMMENSELY helpful and informative. Thank you so much for taking the time.
blackballs21 said:Awareness is the second most important stat in the game only behind speed. If u look at the way EA does there stats awareness is usually the lowest one that’s important on the card and the only stat that increases gradually no matter what. What a lot of people forgot is that awareness was one of the grandfather stats that came with the very first Madden play recognition and pursuit ect.. are all new for the same people yelling drip and other new things to want cards but trust me when I say awareness is key. Just the definition of the word alone should tell u how important this stat is. What good is any stat if the player is unaware of what’s happening during the play
Super helpful. Thank you. Logically it makes total sense that this would be a key stat, I just don’t see it mention often.
Bdelo74 said:I kind of look at it but not nearly as much as I look at speed, acceleration, and other things.
But I think that’s a mistake. I’ve been playing Porter at cornerback because he is 6’ 4” and has great speed and coverage skills when you add in chemistry and things. But his awareness is only 80 and he sometimes just gets roasted deep. Just starts running off in another direction like an idiot.
I assume that’s an awareness issue?
Or maybe play recognition?
Not sure which one is more impac but I know from experience playing myself and watchin/talking to others that a good combo of prc and awr on d elevates them tremendously. But to your point if the speed, acc, etc. Aren’t there they’re pointless